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Episode 9 · 1 year ago

An Important Conversation 2: BLACK LIVES MATTER

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

One week has past since the injustice that George Floyd has faced, in this episode we discuss developments of the case, of America and the Black Lives Matter movement throughout the world. RIP George Floyd

Okay, as majority of people that arelistening to this know, on the twenty fifth of Mad George Fullloyd, was allegedly playing for a pack ofcigarettes with a copefit twenty dolar bill. The shop owner then calls the place.The police then try to arrest George Floyd, the policecram. He resisted Hancoffhim drop him down on the floorand then for the next nine minutes. He's held down about two offices on hisback and DEREC Chalvin then goes and neels onhis neck for the next nine minutes and he's later confirmed as dead. We talked about this last week we recorded only Tuesday. I believethat was the day after the home, thetat video came out of thewhole news came out and we wanted to pay. We didn't want to publish the video we already had and wewanted to do something that was respectful and we wanted to address the Elepmein, the room essentially and same thing this week. It just don'tseem right and so much mores happened since, and I guess both of us have alot to expand on on this information. So I guess this is a part. Two of thatand yeah coud go ahead. Fat Yeah, so the whole George Floyd situation, atragedy rather happened, and then there was a sort of acall to arms world. Wite people werereally taken by the story and felt that you know there's there's you know intwo thousand and twenty for that to happen is really dropping. Thestandards of you know at the very least policing andthe most of racist attitudes that police have in America, especially and that story resonate with a lot ofpeople worldwide. Where to the point, where now there's been peaceful protest in France in Port inPortugal, T has one on Saturday, Germany, I think had one I'm, I'mSada'm definitely had one Paris definitely had one Leon had one. Ithink Marse had en all fifty states of Hem, so sod all fifty sades exactly so it was. It was kind of I it was the western on it shook theworlds. It was one of those things that happens. You know at aparticular time in history whereeveryone were most confined at home, and you know there's been a a lot ofstories like that of police bretality in Americao. You know black people for the most part,you know being killed by police in unlowful ways of ways at the publictheme. Unlawful and so happened that this time, when ithappens, it was like, probably the most atrocious and e more click, the mostclear cup. Oh No, this was wrong and people were like weren't distracted by the everyday life.They were distracted by having to go to work and provided they want. Theydidn't have to protect themselves in terms of like I've just had a really bad day at work.I can't take any more bad news: They kind of got to tune into what washappening and systematic. I guess, put well police brutality and thenheyhe. They kind of everyone got a chance to look at that story and really see it for what it was and that...

...kind of started the domino n throughoutall the fifty says, and- and this turned it like into worldwide anphenomenon really of people in their own countries, likeyou, know, sort of the police relationship inevery country of sort of an scrutinized now questione yeah. So it's it's it's a deep, deep tragedy and the factthat people are sort of going for it and speak in their minds and protestingpeacefully is, is I think that the best we could have hope for in terms of you know findingsome kind of solution for this Mano Thingas an in terms of a lot ofthinjustice that have happened to particularly the Afican American or theBlack Medo? There has been videos before ther havebeen similar instances. Essentially, this time we saw the videooor my bay, Everyone Sa e Frend, Wis lost breath and yeah obviously hit everyone much deeper, Berherh. I think I think this was the biggest wakeupcall, like you said, is two thousand and twenty, and for this to still occurit's is, is heart wrenching and it's. I realized one thing that it was. It got very disturbing. It gotvery uncomfortable, but that's what it needs to do every singleday it was another video of police brutality. Your every single deal isanother video of it just getting escalated and escalated, but you justget more and more uncomfortable, but nothing good is going to come out oflike Stayno compors on e end of the day, and if you make enough good people justfeel uncomfortable, this kind of rage would occur this kind of rage, thiskind of output. I remember I didn't actually care for his contentpersonally, but his everything to do with George Floyd daystorm. He it whenhe talks about it and he's talking about. Oh I've been on marches sincenine ninet five and then he just counts each one and then he's like, but I've.Never this one I'm going to right. Now. I've never seen this many people thataren't my color and he's seen we're seeing the biggest movement the this.This is the biggest revolt in our time, iould say hundred percent yeah yeahprobably sends the Civil Rights, or maybe the VietnamWar, like one of the two on't know which one was but like, but itcertainly like the biggest one that we've seen in our live firms like the biggest call to arms and yeah.There's, there's a lot happening right now like and it's making everyone question a lot.You know it's making a lot of people a lot of people that I have on instagraman a lot of people that have on Settl snapchat facebook. Everyone isquestioning race and race dynamics, not just in America, but also here in e UK,and you know, and it's forced everyone to really really take a step and thinkabout this gone. I was going to say it's yeah. I think honestly touch myheart. It's we actually said it. We actually saidit in last episode that it's not that bad here and there's been so manyvideos since I've seen like for any prick that says it's not as bad in theUK. That is there's so much evidence and it does show to some extent it'snot that we were negligent. It was more that I have no excuses. There were. Therewas just so many cases, and it's just I...

...guess there isnit a video for each case,and I guess that's the only excuse I could give you, but there is so manycases of injustice within the country, but we just didn't see it and afterlooking into so many and he just like yeah fucked, it's I mean I, I always trie to make a distinction. Imean I didn't go. You know, we said it was different here and- and I think itis different. Yeah and people are more integrated rerelative to America, but it doesn't mean that there aren'tany problems here. There's thers afinitely a lot of problems, but interms of the police brutality that America has like that's a problem, alegit problem. That's the reason. I went to the March yesterday. It was itwas that the my main focal point was that this you know, and and actuallythe statistics in America say that Ethe Higher Statistic is not even ofpolice killing black men is polased. You know rough roughing, their feathers,like you know the stopping them, and then you know giving a bit of a like.Like that's the thing that happens the most of these guys be. You know, verbalabuse, physical abuse, byte police and that's the thing that needs to change.In my opinion, that's the most AF, the cruck of that's. What's Hav, the Croxof all of this itheese racial racism doesn't make any sense, and so theseracial attitudes in the police force like the stage jus, can't allow that,because, when you do that, it's like e were saying in you. In the otherepisode, it forces people to consider to reconsider the social contracts andthei attitude towards it, and it can really snow ball and become worse, DonTam, Hod op for it bu Ye Wetl, two things. One thing you said about the socialcontract last week touch my heart. I think I just didn't understand it until until the riots happened and until Ilisten to Trevenno a say like explain the riots and he used the social contract to explainthat- and I was just like this clicks in so well now, as in like, Icompletely understand what this is, and I think that also plays apart in theideology of a social contract being invisible until it's broken, and thenyou see that you will underneath ther but yeah. I wanted to talk about the Iwanted to talk about the police and well. The four offices involved, whonow dereck Shovin, is under second degree murder and theother three officers have been arrested on less charges were yet to know also two twelve or to te Taw. He wasthe one on the video that most people saw where he was semi clearing out thecrowd. He was the one that you saw standing up. He was missing straight after theincident. He did a runner and I believe that's why it took so long to arrestall the other ones. They didn't want to say the news of arresting one by one.So they quiny wanted to like lump them on, but he was he esked out asa but show but yeah. I wanted to talk about thepolice, brutaldesideof things, and so one thing we don't get to mention, andone thing that came out after igh episode was the individual policeofficers is cases and the complaint against them. There were seventeen ginsin N, ninen year career for Derek Shovin. He was involved in threeshootings and he had no disciplines throughout his cu, though ise career,and he had two letters of recromond. One was a verbal one. That's it again with two TMIL again the one thatwas this,...

...the North Asian. When they was standinghe's, he had six complaints and one of them was a civil lawsuit regardinghandcoffing, a man and beating him. So wow yeah, I mean blaying. These guys have been doing this so long and somuch that this is. This is the biggest Wak of call for them, because this is't everyday thing for them. At the end of the day, as you can see, like onething that scared me the most about everything that happened was both ofthem, though both of them were aware that they're getting recorded I've seenI've seen. Videos where, like people, are scared of getting recorded andthey're, like ah hi, the video hart the Video Shit, but I've never seen itwhere they don't give a shit where they don't act. They did. They didn'tacknowledge that they wal phone them it's. It was unsettling how comfortable theywere, and this Derek Shaven well all for now, but downShan was the first officer in Minnesota to ever be prosecuted in the death of ablack civilian. Let alone set a second degreen murder, and this this this kind of Shuck me,but in I MINNEAPOLIS ST C wo Thosand, a ten David Cornelia Smith, was held bytwo officers. One had a knee on his neck for four minutes. He died and the officers were praised forhandling a tough situation. I mean, I think I always try to it's hold on I'm trying to think of how totackle. Like a lot of you, you just shed a lot of information, there's all right. Let's start with the policebetality into what it wat it is. I think, like what you said about the policeofficer having his his knee on George Floyd, and you know not evenacknowledging the fact that there was a camera and just business as usual. Thisis just what we do. This is police, being police, we're going to be fireindthat sort of confidence. I think that comes a lot that comes from and there'sa huge tradition of this from the police departments who you know beforethere were smartphones and people had to wear recording equipment on theirwith the R police uniforms, yeah body camps. They will just get away with a lot ofwithdoing. You know the unlawful things and especially if the person was dead, they weld just then create a story that would make themlook in the best in the most positive Li mind and- and you don't even have a Bois becauseyou're dad I'm just going to write this whole thing and I'm going to get awaywith it because I m I'm the only person there. I that this polites, my partner,isn't going to wrap me out because of this code, and I think body comes, havedone a lot to really really readi like slow down. I think that trend, becauseit idn't bake people think at least the very least is made officers, reconsider their actions, yeah and yeah, and I think those guys justdidn't get the memor like these. The George floyds assailants awe just didnot get the memor and yeah, but in terms of other, like a like the cold case thatyou mentioned from two thousand and ten, it's it's hard. You know because it's Hartthis proving something thats already, because her was there was there wouldhave been an investigations and an inveniucation on H. on that case, theywould have you know, there's thirs. One part therewas like y. This police, Offic r could have just done handled it. The best waythat that could have been handled. Ther there's, definitely reality Weteh,that's true, but then there's also a reality, which is part of like a bigtradition of police officers covering up a lot of their actions, because whatpeople don't have a voice, because either they're dead or because they'ebeing oppressed and they just...

...with core cases like that, it's reallyI'm very tempted to be like yeah, that's, probably link that's the sameas Geourg Floyd, but because I can't say it for sure it's hard to disproveit, I'm kind of deluctant to really agree and like well there's also. I waslistening to an amazing podcast regiates put it on his story and it wasfascinating and they were talking about the idea, the whole the whole system,essentially like prior cases and what what's going tohappen from now sort of thing and a certain things I just wrote down, whilelistening forty six percent of fired officers, areinstated and Minneapolis chief, the one that firedofficers, I believe his name is Medora Arara Dundo and he has a name to being this reformerwithin the system. I honestly touch my heart, maybe I'm just the scepticwithin me when when he fired the people, I thought it was just the backlash. Ithought it was the instant backlash of the social media, the video and Ithought he got scare. It thought I didn't give him the benefit of that,but blatantly he's had a reghod of trying to rerform the system and that'sGos, but the problem with the whole forty six people gane e forty sixpercent gang reen stated. Usually that is because I just wrote here: Tha Unionpresident is a Dick Bob Crowl, believe it or not, he's a trump. Afishing item and he's had twenty nine complaints againsthim and he also thinks ptsds a myth. Hedoesn't believe in it he's a great man, but basically theunion president gets a say in all the people that are fired. I gets to Reanstate. They also have a system of yeah civilian review, which some states gofor as like itit treats as a holy Gra of somestates do not give a shit in Minneapolis or Minnesota. What happenedwas it was a in and out and then et became you can recommend the civilianscan recommend to keep them fired, but we don't have to listen to you sort othing and I've also wrote here: Wo. Oh Yeah, a lot of people are happy about thesecond ad. I don't want to be the bigger Bran N, bigger, bring out badnews, but a lot of people are happy by the second degree: murder, AK andMansauger. It's amazing. It's amazing feep for what it was as a police force.To I mean this in this state. This is the first Guy Guess, prosecuteand, letalone a second ofvew mone. It's amazing, obviously de Dereck, Shov and being accused of second degree murder andManstore. That's a it's a great result for the protest andthe rights that happend and it's the the way towards justice hundred percent.But obviously there are AL there. Are This? Isn't the first murder trialregarding black man and police brutoity? A lot ofcomplications that happen during trial for these kind of claces is where thepolice get to claim reasonable fear and yeah. You had something that you wantedto say about reasonof fear, so yeah, goverit yeah, I think, and it was not to go into the Bateabout gun wars, because you know that's just what it is over there is. Is that it's true and it's actually an important, an important claim that police officerskind of rightfully deserve to have, because you know, there's a statisticthat really shocked me to Lok to my call, which was most police officers aday in the liveen of duty by from just...

...a routine like stop and check like stopin your car and then they go and check, and most of them just die like that. So that will definitely Weig on your mind,when you're being a police officer that doesnat excuse anything. I think, asyou have to use that the fence right there's a reason. That's even selfdefense is a defense that humans can use. I mean, but you know I guess YorOu, that that is correct and I mean it's. Not even a case of arguing as inis the law is wat is, but it's just it's just. I guess the ideology that a police can say if, unfortunately, apolice officer was not crrapped and wasn't racist and was how a policeofficer should be, and he was met with that he was met with violence towardshim and some sort and hears a day dying on service daying on is at daying onfield, I'm Mo sure on Juty Onju he's Gonto find justice.He will get heill get he most like Thi get justice. You wouldn't need aprotest for that. You wouldn't need to. You wouldn't need yeah any of this, forthat you wouldn't need a week's worth, what more than a week's worth of somany lives. So many lives have gone. Just in the protest right and that's- Iguess that's the biggest difference is and like both are the same, both oflives at the end of the day, but you shouldn't be in t a position thatyou need to fight for justice. That's this yeah! It's it's! I mean the idea of society ise to giveevery citizen a recaurse to have justice, and that includes you know apathway to you know, scrutinize the policeofficers when they engages some wrongdoing and that's just what itshould be. But it's not the case right now for a lot of Africanamericansbecause of actually the relationship that they have. I, in a lot of, like ghettos, like N, a lot ofAfricanamerican communities you they have bad relationship with the police,for obvious reasons, and but yet the POLICEIS. When the place abuse theirpowers, they don't feel comfortable to go to the police. And that's already aone thing. H T: that's that's that just Brac this dynamic apart and then to isthe fact that when you just as a citizen as an Americancitizen, that should be all right. If a policeofficer, the person that is there to keep peace to south and protect, isn't,is doing the exact opposite then, and to supt for some something astrivial aus kin color because of attitudes, they have to something asrivial skin color you, you have to protest, you have to make people listenbecause it's become systematic and indeedthese. This is a standard that isjust too low it's too low and it needs to be higher and Ester match and hedsto it needs to yeah. It just needs to be higher.That's I think the cracks AF. My point is like the Standardis, too low too.Many of these events seem like they're happening. Even if a half of thosedeaths have been like there was more new ones to them. It was more givend.Take there was reasonable fear. There's too many too many were there shouldhave been one. There should have been a lot tue.The too many case, studies for this situation to repeatedly ends in thedeath of a black man. There's been too many of those casesand the police should study those cases check. What went wrong be, truthful andfind and find out and make sure this won't happen again, because it's just is so far from not being fair, that itbecomes detrimental to the whole entire...

American society and also n a D, andthat also kind of rolls back on us because they're supposed to be theleaders of the free world, and then you know all these other countries followthe American Americas. Leavs, and you know the the race rerhetoric is, is poisonous and, and it's kind of likea virus, is it can it can? It can disappear for a bit, but then it cancome back. It' left on treaeds like it's, it's crazy! It's a crazy, crazynotion, this being raisist, so people really need to put a lot of pressure on the policedepartments to reform and to to make sure that that they know that they have to be better. is in it's a lot to ask, butthat's that's the is the way to do it. It's the way to doit. So also one thing I was going to mentionis when it comes to the whole, when it comes to everything thathappened. Everything Tut we constantly shought day by day on social media, and I wouldn't say any effort regardingfighting racism is bad right, as in any sort of avenue ou take is worth it isgood. It's progress at the end of the day, but it's just what it yeah. I was going to just say one thing that one thing that I don't Understa and onething that I wanted to build on ISM this whole educating ourselves likethere was a constant theme of like educate yourself about. What's going thappen, what's happening, what you educate yourself- and I do agree withthat, especially when, like like, like we were saying how, likethis, only aff, the only after researching, I realize how muchhappened in the UK that we just didn't hear, and I agree with that sense ofeducation, but there's also this another line of this. Where people aresaying to research, black history, people are saying toreach search, Slav true, I mean. Of course I mean why not iis it's good toknow that stuff, but I don't understand how that relateto racism, because the whole ideology of racist or to fight racism is totreat every human. Equally, you don't need to know someone's back story ortheir heritagers back story to treat them like a human and they, I honestly get pissed off at this wholeideology that this this. This is going to sound, weird or controvarts ArennevaShit, but people are saying like Oh yeah, you should research what the Britain did to this wor, thisTis this and like everything, horrible that yeah a bit of rich Arab impited,everything horrible to everyone like it's true, and I do believe thateverything that we need to know by history. We do know to some extern at least likewe know about slave rake. We know bout, the civil rights we know aboutoppression, and I don't understand this stigma of likeeducating yourselves asn't like wait. Are you so privileged? Were you so? Were you so high up on that? Highhorsethat you didn't know it? SIST, a system of oppression happened or likeinstitutionalize RACM exist. I don't Igond go no, it's just. I don'tunderstand this this this this. I don't understand this of like howcould you have never seen this? I know the there's. Only one thing that couldhave happened. You knew about it. You were negligent towards it and if youwere good on you, you've admitted that let's not do that. Anyanymore none ofthis shit of like going to your history books that that makes no sense to me. It's I mean I think...

...black people are very aware of thehistory like you have to learn it espec when, like I think, is, and it kind ofplays into also ethnic minorities. You kind of was a kid you kind of like holdon most people. Don't look like me. Okay, you kind of get a certain itchingto find other that Nono. So blacky. Is You very educated about it? That'sthat's different yea, I don't, but it plays it plays into it, playsinto it all because, like I think, even Africanamericans, if there's atradition of them they're knowing the history like a lot like in great great detail more than mostpeople, I think in Cerain, in certain certain in terms of the blackexperience in America, and I think, the so for a long time, you've had alot of black people educated on the tradractory of the world and thenyou've had the mainsrim society kind of not acknowledge it and youre like allright. This happened then were wone. I A new wave you've got like a new goal,people move on and then I think, a lot of to be honest. A lot of the whiteAmerican generations haven't learned a lot Ou, everyone kind of knows, likethe sort of the the edges of the argument. Like Ohyeah, you know people lak people putting boats from Sobsto Har in Africato Brazil and then America and everythingthey know like those type wit details but Theyda in order to know how that playstoday. It is important to look back at history and kind of tracing the TI thatthe black and white dylamics, and then also, I think, it's even more importantto really do that to understand this. This term, like I mean it's Chesus fuck,but it's like there's one race to human, raise. That is the scientific facts andthen the rest is basically the type of Melanin. You have your skin. It's likehow you have more man and than a white person. I have more melon than you,it's it's it's just that like, and I think a lot of like for me, likemy personal identity, comes first yeah, regardless of what society says. Ithink I get the sense thor a lot of black people in America ar kind of might feel that way, but they they are confronted with a lot of situationsthat are disheartening, because people in the most trivial ways will put themin positions where they are the skin color, and that creates the reality ofwhat racist race is just a skim color. But then there's like all these, thesebuilding blooks that that make it that seem to make it even more real than itactually is there isn't there's whatever you want to say about, like you know, a black person, if you, ifyou want to go with the stereotyp like chicken Walldhent, a lot of them, don'tI know if you like a lot, I'm B, what I'm Eyserian I do like to,but I think as a pet, an Om Jackon, but you know the think. The the point is that when and I'm talking, O specifically inAmerica when you've had these dynamic bills and the system of oppression likedevelop- and it objectively is way better now than that it was fifty yearsago, it was better. Fifty years ago, hand I was fifty years prior, so it hasimproved overall, but the VRAS standard I till low in terms of equality, anlike, surely that yet I mean like until that happens, that is the goal. SMEEssentially Yeah. It's the goal, but I do think like towhat you ere saying like educating yourself into the history ofthe world, especially of of raisand. I think especially of likewhat happened between the dilamices of like black and white, because thatdoese they operate on a binery. It's...

...almost like they like everything else, seems to be inthe middle. I don't know wh t if you have some thoughts about that, buteverything else seems to be on in the middle, and I think that there is white. This thing of like white peopleand Black people define themselves relative to each other and then because, because a lot of theother races have a certain fliidity within the systems, but then blackpeople kind of seem to be in a certain placeion and white people. kind of seemto be like black people seem to be. The oppressed white people seem to pseem tobe the oppressor and yeah. It's it's it's to untangle.All of that I think history is, is the history of those dynamics,because that's the only thing that makes it real. That's the only thingthat makes it real like. If we are sorry I'm not, I think I'm maybewaffling a little bit, but no no theres. I get what you mean as in like for meto say: Why does the history matter is at the end of the day, if you're goingto treat someone as a human, you got you got to treat them as ahuman, regardless of their history like, but a hundred percent now, but butyou're saying it's not as binary as that that that doesn't make sense, andI guess yeah. I guess that I guess I wouldnever a good butit only makes sense in terms of thisrace, like whatever credence people give to race.Rigt like to me like I'm with you to me like treating someone positively ornegatively just because of their race is stupid and it's harmful and and andit shouldn't exist, and it's stupidlike stupid. It's! U It's very stupid yeahand you know it's like what Whatli the king said about. Like you know, anindividual should be judged on the concent of the CHARACTERND, not thecall of the skin. You know this is actually my the facto stance on thisrace thing, and this is what we should all be looking to be like it would belike it would be it's at the base to help us avoid like looking dumbest fuck. You know that its worse is a VOYC is reallyhurting people so like if making any prejudgments on race. Does that and it's like positive one negativeeventually, it's just negative because you're judging them on their race andnot who they really are, but like we B FID, for instance, as soon as because people still seem to overrely on Iraice as an identity there there are those you have to tracethe history to tell them how much how bullshit this way of thinking is, andit's like a lot of work- and it seems stupid because is humans- is hard tolike it's hard to think of not knowing things that you know no O. I nowyeah, Ithink you know. I think I was ignorant to think that I kind of wanted to jumpon to this. I watch a husube video and it was it was someone videoing. Unlike the videos we saw on socialmedia like on instaand stuff, like Thas, know the police prutality during theright situation. It was during the day when it's a little more- quite I guess anlesstrumpy this this this. This black woman was speaking on a megophone and she wassaying it really touched me and I just brodehim, but she was like black cops white crops, Hispanic cops, it doesn't matterwhat color they are. It's part of the same institutionalized racist system.My life is not just a Hashtag, and I thought that that was very powerful,but I do think...

...that there is, I would would say it's. I do feel like theres there's, a poorportion of people that slightly swayed away from the region or the the origin of this wholeprotest is in George. Floyd had had terrible injustice provided to him.My a system O, please Brutalti, right and people it kind of got twisted into this.This protest became this black vesus white thing. Ai Felt like it becamethat asn't like it, was pictured by that by many and when, if in Wen, thefact it's just everyone versus racism like when out yeah a lot of my Asien p Asian friends and their parentsis reactions to it. That's what they said. It's just a black versus white asin like there was comments like. Why are they just why they protesting?Why they're wrioting they're ruining the property that you ruling thecountry? Why don't they yeah they've? They gave him murder.They gave him a murder sentence. Third Degree: Why dot you just take it? What why r they still fighting ov this?Basically, why are you still doing this just excepted, for what is is what alot were saying either that or they were just negligent ewity in terms ofjust I don't really have e opinion, so yeah, I'm just going to have a semirent about my people for a second and then you gocrazy. Okay, yeah go for it where I got pissed offso much by post, Tha kept on seeing, which wasSouth Asians for black lives. Talmols for black lives, northasens for blackwives, MANDA GASCO FOR BLACKA. It wasbasically any sort of region for black life and it pissed me off it's, and itwas mainly the Asian community. It was Asian Community and one thing I know icthan it pissed me on, but I didn't understand why, until I started todetangle this- and you know the phrase like politically black crae yeah as itessentially anyone. That's writing a wit against us. Whatever color, theyare they're politically black, just blanket tone and I feel, like the opposite, has swivered round from it, where it's alot of fragmentation, a low of fragmentation to a level where we don'tlike to even be. We find it insulting to be mistaken bya neighboring country, and it's going to the level where wecan't even say Asia or bronds for black lives. No, wehade to say Tummals, O Lik live sout asions for black lives. We are tryingto we're trying to help this movement by for we're trying to solvesegregation by fragmentation and that, as in like Wewe're, not this is kintyintuitive and that then I got into the faot that then I go into the fact thatthat there's so much that happens at home,that we axcept in a brown household that causes these things, that thatadds to these things, the microaggressions. That's the casualracism we mentioned in earlier podcast. You asked what youasked what the Nword is in my Tam Tomwan. I didn't tell you right. It'scarpely and yeah, how I know that, because I was sitting an my dad's door,I was nine or ten and he had off license and the first time I leverheard. That word was when a black man walks in and there was an employee on the floorand my dad tells him a caply has woked in woke after him, and I just see himtelling him essentially throughout the store, and that is that that is thecase for General Black Man's life right...

...as in like that's his day today, as 'nlike Heu, will get that and yeah yeah. It happens a lot. It'sdefinitely happend to you and that's the beginning of where I heard that word and then, althoughthere's been several misunderstood, misunderstood concepts within my family, whether it'sfeminism when it's sexuality with it this that other. I have spoken about myfeelings about that, but I've never touched racin. It never was importantfor me to tell them. Why are you doing this? I always felt like I wasn'tracist but to some extent I only realized after this movement that I wasa nonracist, but I wasn'n antiracist. Ten. There has been a clear cutdefinition in the books now further and it does begin at home and it does it's disgusting when you see Brownparent. So I'm going to specify this just for my people, yeah just likeTommal parents telling saying that why are they protesting? Why are theywriting? Why are they causing such damage? We are children of fucking more.How could we tell anyone? We we had a rebellion squad to fight a governmentand we lost, but we're the ones telling people that they shouldn't beprotesting for equal rights and what Yoou grateful for what thiscountry is done, that we become this model minority and we find we findblack people our companies as we call them. Just I less than us. That's theproblem. That's this racism has become, has been seived into our community, somuch that wer part of the problem and we can't try. We can't just put up astory, O postof picture, saying tunnels for Black Nies of Saltatiens for blacklives and fix everything we got fix it from home and go from ther onwards, yeah Ma it's a wow, that's that's yeah!It's you made a lot of good poisman. It'strue! I mean Wat MiG. I think also that that word like it's weird,that a lot of like you said time or people ar like all the generation atthese, have these type of views and then use that word cap furly, becauseit kind of just sounds like going p all allit together, likecarpulling carpling and and its to opposite that they mean, but not without trying to trivel likechivilize what you just said, it's I. I feel you on that. I think you know people is always easy toassess ha situation from the outside and kind of keep a sense of objectivityand withwith some distance, and it's easyto be sure about your position. When you know you have partial facts,because the brain doesn't want to work that hard, as just like I've got my ownlife to figure out like I'm US Grabi, the soundbys. That's why the newspapersdo Soun Bites and to reach conclusions that you knowobviously, rint easy resolve a problem in your head at least, and exactly thiswill spawn from this fact that I got pissed off at this. There was a sense of like whitedemonalization that was happening on my at least on my instar. It just feltlike there was some people that were protesting, amazingly bi, a socialmedia that was inspiring a cri to them, no surprise at the crying actually but h there was. It was so many people thatseemed distorted with their message and itbecame this reverse racism towards white people and I'm just like you'reliterally doing the officer. Surely you could be aware of that yeah, it'susually a brown person and I'm just like we got to fix our homes before weclaim all white people are just here to be fixed. As in like you went to theprotest, an you told me that, like well,...

...half of those were like whyte people aswell. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is tenlike you can't you can't blame all bi people, I'm not saying worldway. Peopleare good. There are a lot of trumps out there, but I'm just saying like we'reall in this we're all in the wrong. Any sort of racism is wrong if you're notgoing to treat if you're. If you as a community, don't treat everyone equallyyoure in the wrong just because you don't have a gun on you just becauseyou haven't arrested anyone just because you haven't killed, anyonedoesn't mean we're in the right. I agree I, but to be honest, I thinkthat all notions of race, like in terms of giving it more credence the only wayI can talk about Graye as in terms of how it is in terms of situations that onlyhappen because raisis involved I don't over. I don't identify myself with myrace yeah being black. I am black, but I this is the skin that I happen tohave, and I think that it saying to be honest when people say like even but say I'm proud to be BLACD tobe black. I think that comes. It comes from like a good place of like where alot of BLAC people have been shamed for being black, but I think even that istaking the problem further, because you're emphasic still giving it toomuch credence, yeah, you're, still and then overidentifying, and then only andthen more and more you start seeing the world through. You know a black orAsian or o black or brown or white thing, and it just it only confuses thewhole landscape, because it's just skin color, that's all it is, and theeverything that's bads that comes from it is is built on fog like all of it isbuilt on nothing so and, and all the I that's good, is it's it's you shouldn't.You can appreciate someone's culture, you can appreciate someone's character.appreciatein their skin means absolutely nothing, because that's justwhat it is is just what it is, and it's just trivial. As I mean you canappreciate in the same Sen jor that you got like a Nice Stan or like you've gotnice eyes nut to me. Its the same is like Yo Yo. You've got like a niceshade of Cocoa Brown Fab. That's what I tell myself every day when I look inthe mirror, but it's it doesn't mean anything more than that you know andand everything and the comraderie that I feel with black people that I don'tknow which there is only comes from a shared experience. Yeah. It doesn'treally come from this actual schem. It come from ashared experience of you know being in certain situation,like you said, being followed when you go to the shop, it's like O of a unieaoppression, sort of thing, right, yeah, but but yeah it kind of t a unityover you persona experiencing things that only that person reallyexperiences like, and you know- and I can' hear everyone saying. Oh well, youknow Asian people get folled around ind shops and white people, it's true, butI think it it's true, but ithink thinkis obvious to MEA PC DAB. I thinkeveryone lyeah. I wasn't us. I was just kind of arguingagainst it. If someone did think it like it's justit happens to black people more. It does because you just hit you yeah yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy! How much like for INSTANC when I went to theprotest yesterday. First of all, it was I found I really reallyinteresting experience. I got them. I saw like the thing that I liked the mostabout it is that people were really for George Floyd, like really theyre kindof...

...you know, fighting for you know thistragedy to mean something so that no nothing like it happens again andthat's the thing that I liked about it within that there were also fragmentsof people who had their own like things going on like their own specificexperience as a black person in UK specific e, like political views, AFtherewas, a lot of fuck, Boris jobs and Borusis, a racist which I think is uncharitable, but you know u peoplethougd. Well, I like that, even though I disagreed with a lot of what peoplesaid and I agreed with a lot of what people said, we're all in it for likethis one cause yeah that was absolutely like, real and and that needed fixingand the fact that we were there I felt was- was really good, but yeah man, I think be'r going back to and then also I'egot to see my brother bumped into him. He was like Litou right outside bors isyard, like first Ling Him and his mates allgirls as well all of sort of Jui. I GES PROB leading the way its GNO comment. It was cool, it wasreally really cool man na it was realy cool. I saw him and- and there was a real sense of comrideryand with that and for at least from I was thet from one until want, I say four or five, like even the police, like the police,were helping us up by blocking certain roads, letting US walk. It was reallyreally peaceful and, and a really like, I felt like they understood a lot of of tethe. The reasons why we werefiging and people honking, like in supporwods, like th, there was stuck intraffic. Essentially it was. There was a lot of beauty toITUs, no, no hundred percent hi. I mean I mean you know this. I don't needtotell you, but I wish covid wasn't a thing. I wish myparents wern something to be worried about that. I could have joined yeah yeah now t that that sounds amazing man.That sounds amazing. We have recorded much more than we weanticipated for, but I guess as a closing statement. What do you want togo for? I guess I'm going with you know. Okay, let me let me just organize thesethoughts. I was going Na just okay, I fundamental I was just GON NA say. I think a good example of this is like I said, daystom saying how this isa. This is the most amount of people that aren't black in these proteststhat he's ever seen that kind of stuff and people. I personally know I wasn't anonracist. I wasn't I mean, like I had a very diverse friend group. I didn'treally give a damn about the skin turn of the person I was talking to and it never changed anything. But I would never speak my emotions. Iwould never speak out loud. Even I like, I would never call up someone for their for their casual racism for theirmicroaggressions because it just felt like it was in my place. It felt likeif it's the equivalent of when I, wheneverI go to an e interview, I shave my beard. I wall, I like to call whitewashmyself to look like the most employable just to make myself less ethnic ido.That will determine that's. That's that's feeding the fire that I need tolook a certain way to feel like I'm more employable and stuff like that.But I did. I wasn't Wa quick question, butthen would you say that other people...

...shave their beards to know the samething that maybe arent you? Can they don't lies it so as it as in you. Havethis definitely white people at your workplace with e Lik? It's not it's notlike it's a tribial thing, but you feel no! No Yeah! I was just Gongto say I genuinely personally. I know that I've seen sometimes how, like I get,looks and the different looks I would get or the variation of looks I woullget when I try my best to look less ethnic and when I don't give a shit-and I just look myself- I know what the difference is and you can you're awareof how you looked Ou. The people at least,and I and a good example of is for someone that wasn't on racist forsomeone that didn't speak out loud. I wasn't like zoom chat with my workcolleagues today and I I brought t up because the whole weekI haven't brought out and this week as the only Wey, guyasworking and so then a lot of the news that passed I' never even saw what theireaction was, and this is a zoom chat with four other Caucasian people rightand yeah. I it's Thursday today and I wanted to seethey. None of them mentioned it Throughu, and it could have been casethat everyone was busy with work or everyone was this and that and all thetwere talking to about other people. They just don't want to talk to youaout me, because I'm weird or something like that, but Buti was like its Thursday. I can nofwant to see where uns at and for me to ask their opinion. That'snot a very gasping to do. I know that that was out of character to like, Ifelt somewhat invasive to even find out what they think about it, and I sawlike Thi like half of them. Obviously, empatized and half one of them wascompletely radio sited and anted them sighed, as if he's sick of the sadenew sort of thinghe'sdone with the sad news and he's like that's a good, that's a good way tostart the day or somehone like that, fair enough. If you feel like that arfair enough, if you feel uncomfortable with the impact the movement is causingand how strenuous Im must be to just see but like this is four hundred yearsof Sufferingg, you could do four days of looking at some news but yeah that I felt like that. taught me alot. This movement Ili'll say. Obviously this the whole thing is withjustice for George Right and I feel like the case that we have right nowwith second degree and second daing man. Man's Lord is Great, but the otherthree officers having a lesser sentence: LESSA charge. We don't know what theyis and we don't know what en result would be. Soven well see how that goes,but as a movement or as a Natione, at least I would say, and the amount of times I saw during thewhole black screen day like anyone that did it wasn't a case of whether you puta black screen to me that didn't matter. But if you were willing to post aSelfie or post a picture of a car, do some dumbshirt on your story. I an'nfoll ofed. You like a in a second is like I don't want to see those pricksAsin like there's, there's th, there's no need for that. A in like you, don'tyou don't need to show your you don't need to show how you supportthe cause by posting, something I don't believe in that, but there is a thingof what to post when this thing is happening, and I, when this moving isso wi ea, you know exactly what's going on, you can't be blind towards whatthis is happening. So if you chose to do this at this time, that's what yourstance is- and I don't want to. I don't be related to you fuck you, but that's what I'am saying in terms ofthis movment in terms of everything...

...that's going on, I would like I likethe fact that everyone's kind of more self aware theflows within them and how they can improve themselves and howthey can fix some of the problem, like the SMORT, more problems and changethemselves in terms of growth and the bigger problem. I A like everything.We've done. Probably that, like you, go into the protest signing petitionssending donations sending emails to your MP. If they haven't mentioned it, there was a really good site that wll,probably link below and sending an Emo to the Minneapolispolice that te Tis a link. There should be a link Polos or for that, but yeah.It's it's all growth by the but and yeah. That's what I want to say yeah. I think I agree with you. I think I'm not ashard on people that are as involved. I mean like forins yesterday said, if youknow to be silent, is to be to allow racism to exist, and I agree. I agree with that. TowithEgree, but you know, I think not everyone has anopinion on things and in is. It is a privilege. You know like let's say a black person in America doesn't getto not have an opinion about race, because the world that surrounds him orHem is is a Co. Constant reminds them that there's something about TheyreRase, that they're either gain or not getting the suffering or so like it'sit's ridiculous. For me, I've always operated underlike, the and in the modes. Te like till evenengaging conversation and a conversation about race is likeimmediately concedes that there's something to argue about, so my viewshould be viewed like a trutism like I agree with someone that says two plustwo equals for it's like all like talking about why a two plus doecallsfor it's just like it's a trutism. It just is like it youall like Whata, you know what we breathe oxygen. Is it these notconversations it need to be had is that people have different skin tones andcolors co, Neck Yeh, but obviously- and so I don't try to indulge- I never. Idon't see the world through that perspective, because I find that itkind of forces me to to look for things that I have no evidence for and that Ihave that I find inm settling, and I think that when I, when I have the evidence, I dospeak up and I do confront people I'm like it's like I like to say that Idon't need to be nice. I like to be nice, so if I'm uncomfortable withsomething, if I need to express myself, I will just say it, but in terms ofbecause everyone is in such a different place, an regard to this race thing- Idon't know, I don't try to put things on people, and I don't try to to. I don't have conversations, forinstance, about raise with white people all black people really, unless something specific happened tothem because of their race. I tend not to because everyone hastheir own like perspective, everyone as heir ownperspective and ideas on it, and everyone thinks they're right andeveryone thinks have the measuredt approach and- and it is just not- itjust tends not to be the case so yeah. I just think that it's wit with that Seid. There aresituations where you need to talk about race and the in th in te GeorgeFloyidis, a perfect example of that, where you just saw essentially a man be killed like an animal ar to the words I can't breathe for awhile and and end up, you know in a coffin somewhere, so it's Reyou readdark stuff and it really really lowered...

...the standard, and my opinion of thepolice force in America is making me consint reconsider, got like going toAmerican. What what am I going to be like if I'm there like m literally, Iwas thinking about it and I was like I'll probably do like my potist Britishaccients and I just come in with I'm a possport just like just because, butthe fact that had this thought as an excuse to like be like, oh no as ashield. That shows me that there is a problem with the way the police dealwith things over there and yeah, and I think it's a worthy cause.If you're, if Youf Youve, hopefully you guys haveanyone listening has I don't know gotten anything out ofthis. It's spired or just thoug food forthought or just o. That was that's what the that's, what they think. Hopefullyyou were engaged throughout this whole thing and if you were inspired, then yeah l put afew lings of like how you can show your support to the cause and just been also another thing Ididn't agree with. I don't agree with a lot of talking points about black livesmatter, but just because you don't agree with a lot of the talking pointsdoesn't mean that you can't support this one thing, because there warepeaceful movements and they basically they fighting for against policebrutality. That's all they're doing so I mean you as I look into it a it's theequipment of like following up the politician right. You don't have tofollow everything he or she ses work for word, but if they're aiming forequality- and you know that the opposition- isn't you know where to gosort of ibes as in yeah? That's what I'm saying is I, like black lives Manno.Obviously they do vow anyone that says all lives Ma just like. Did you see the Sethrogan thing?He put a black lives matter and everyone that replied all tiys matterto him. He just said fuck off fuck off fuck you and your dad. I thats what hewas like fuck you, you don't deserve my films, but yeah think that's good note to endthis tnor we go yeah and then no alsowill share that with you. If youfucking saying all lives mad, you don't deserve this podcast and fuck. You Ou.I you don yeah yeah, actually yeah yeah plet's. Just do that! Yeah! Don't ifyou're a race PEC share, don't listen to meme to tale it'. If you're, not it's a podcast with a blankand, a brownga why the fuck were you listening to US fig? Now you make. I you make a good point. Youmake a good point. Actually, if you are racist, do listen to us, youmight learn a thinger to actually I want. I want do four, three, six eeyeah G, what O which, which people we're just people right. We just likeyou flesh and bloods, and a little bikeris Mu, come on.

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